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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:03:40 GMT
How is the Cartwright scene true to life? YOu find me one person who says "Cartwright?" when he's asked for Costanza. This piece of dialogue could only happen in a sitcom- never in real life. GEORGE: Excuse me, I'm expecting a call. Costanza? BRUCE: Yeah, I just got a call. I yell 'Cartwright! Cartwright!', just like that. Nobody came up, I hang up. GEORGE: Well, was it for Costanza or... BRUCE: Yes, yes, that's it. Nobody answered. GEORGE: Well was it a woman? In real life George would say "WHY DID YOU SAY CARTWRIGHT?" but that wouldn't have worked because it would have created an unwanted confrontation and the writers wanted to get on with the episode. Another piece of dialogue only capable in a sitcom: MARLENE: I can’t be with someone if I don’t respect what they do. JERRY: You’re a cashier! MARLENE: Look, Jerry, it’s just wasn't my kind of humor. I absolutely HATE that joke, its an embarrasing low for the show, its a cheap laugh, similar to supposedly scary movies which have a period of silence followed by a sharp loud tone and someone popping out of nowhere- a cheap scare, takes absolutely no talent to create, i could make any scene like that work 1000 times. The problem with the line in the Ex-Girlfriend (i also hate the ep for other reasons) is that Marlene DOESN'T RESPOND to the cashier accusation, because the bottom line is Jerry is right, and her response, which would undoubtedly occur in real life, would create another unnecessary confrontation that wouldn't fit in witht the rest of the show. Only later does Seinfeld completely realize the idiocy and embarrasment of this low-brow technique for laughs.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:04:43 GMT
How is the Cartwright scene true to life? YOu find me one person who says "Cartwright?" when he's asked for Costanza. This piece of dialogue could only happen in a sitcom- never in real life. Have you ever been in a situation where foreigners are trying to speak in English? I'm sure you have. It is easily possible for me to believe a Chinese man pronouncing Costanza as Cartwright. On rare occasions I will have some fast food, many times the ethnic group that works there won't understand my order due to the language barrier. It would be the same for me if I went to a foreign country and tried to speak their language, the accent and what not would probably make what I said sound completely different. Which was the case with Carthwright and Costanza. Keep in mind I'm not insulting anyone, just making the point that THE CHINESE RESTAURANT was indeed true to life. At least it has been, and probably always will be for me.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:06:34 GMT
I love the Chinese Restaurant. The Cartwright part of the episode is my favourite part actually. I love the part where George says, "I'm Cartwright." And before Jerry can get his reply finished, he's yelling, "Of course I'm not Cartwright!"
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:07:06 GMT
The chinese guy was speaking pretty good english, and when george asked "was she looking for costanza" he says "yes, and i yell cartwright"
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:07:51 GMT
I disagree about The Ex- Girlfriend being the worst ep ever by no means a brilliant ep but it was a sign of things to come though the character of Kramer was still being worked on.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:08:24 GMT
the exgirlfriend had no main conflict, no main plotline, (obviosly ex girlfriend is supposed to be one) unlike any good tv show, there was no climax, it just seemed like a bunch of scenes thrown together. The scene where she dumps him came out of the blue, and thus in my eyes has no real significance, plus the fact that george didn't care. In the better days, jerry would have gotten george's girlfriend, and he would have told him, and george would have been upset, and THAT would have been the main conflict, but in this ep there is no conflict, its all on a level plane, instead of building up to something,
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:09:23 GMT
But I love that kind of randomness on the show. I can identify with Elaine's story so much, I always wanted to confront people like that. Also Jerry's bit about books is so true to life, I mean why do we really keep them anyway? I never buy books just because of that, because after you read a book it just fills up your shelf to make you look smarter.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:09:48 GMT
i agree the book bit is funny, although sometimes i do read books twice.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:10:07 GMT
I don't think THE EX_GIRLFRIEND is the worst episode ever, in fact, far from it.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:10:43 GMT
everyone's entitled to his opinion, i just can't think of a more horribly put together episode, i understand that jerry and george were the focus, and the other two weren't as prominent, and that doesn't bother me. but jerry and george's actions don't even work. the whole chiropractor thing has nothing to do with the rest of the episode, it never devolopes, jerry getting together with marlene comes out of nowhere, and we think, ok we got a problem, then he tells george, and george not caring comes out of nowhere, and we think, ok there is no problem, then marlene dumps jerry, which comes out of nowhere, and we think, ok we got a problem, but then the episode ends, so we think, ok there is no problem. the whole storyboarding is done terribly. this episode is TOO MUCH like real life, with no conflict ever presented. george not paying the chiropractor could have been made into a problem, and could have been a good plotline, but jerry takes care of it at the beginning and thats the end of it.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:10:55 GMT
I think the problem is there's so much stand-up the plot barely exists.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:11:45 GMT
I agree (this time I checked that it was you), I like randomness, and when an episode has a perfect arc to it and it's too structured, then it's just like everything else out there. I don't like structure. The fact that George didn't care was genius. It was a true manifestation of Larry David's vision for a show about nothing. Isn't the whole point of Seinfeld to not have structure?
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:12:06 GMT
what other episode would be comparable to the exgirlfriend in terms of having no structure-- by this logic the ex girlfriend should be considered the best episode of all time.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:12:40 GMT
I don't think of comedy as the type of thing where you have bests and worsts. You have moments. And the moment (not the episode) where George doesn't care is a very unconventional, but realistic choice, thus I like it. It wasn't necessarily the funniest choice, but it's a choice I like.
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Post by sbtbfanatic on Sept 27, 2014 4:13:36 GMT
Also, where's the structure in The Parking Garage? The Dealership? The Puerto Rican Day? The Betrayal? These don't follow a real structure either, and I think they do the unstructured thing better than The Ex-Girlfriend does it.
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